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HELP... mountains & trees

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Embers
Mon Jul 18 2011, 08:56AM
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I have looked thru so many albums they are all running together. I received a request for my John Deere tractor with mountains behind it... She wants them low on the horizon and they are covered with trees.... I have attempted them, but I don't like the way they turned out.... I need any tips or tricks or pictures of past burnings that might help me out. The mountains are the Blue Ridge mountains in North Carolina.... and completely covered in trees. The mountains I tried I couldn't get to look like they were covered in trees, they looked like a big scribbled mess... I attempted the squigly line trick, not sure if I tried to do too close together or what.....

Please help me out!!!!!!!!

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j.r.nutting
Mon Jul 18 2011, 12:15PM
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hi embers if you have google type in images of mountain deer click on the site with all the photos there is a lot of pics of mountains covered with trees hope this helps
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Embers
Mon Jul 18 2011, 12:31PM
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I have the pattern all drawn out and ready. I have plenty of pictures of what they look like. I am needing tips on how to actually burn them where they look like mountains full of trees... I have not done either mountains or trees to any extent as of yet.....

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Danette
Mon Jul 18 2011, 09:56PM
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Hi Amber!
I will attempt to explain how I do my trees. One of my pieces in the Andrews Art Museum is a Golden Eagle with the Smokey Mts. (Blue Ridge Mts) in North Carolina.





You said, "She wants them low on the horizon and they are covered with trees.... " With your tractor in the foreground, the mountains won't be all that big if they are low on the horizon. For my mountains I put the illusion of trees on them by just drawing small lines all over the mountains. The mountains are far in the background so you won't actually see the branches or needles/leaves. The closer the trees get to the foreground the more detail they will show. I wouldn't think that you don't need that much detail...but if you want some here is how I do mine.





The photo above shows what they look like.

This next photo shows my markings in red....





I start out drawing in my tree trunks first. Then I start at the very tip at the top and work my way down the trunk. I use short strokes from side to side...not a zig-zag effect, but a more natural side to side motion.

I use a low temperature and go slowly, leaving some spaces between the branches. The branches get wider the more you go down the trunk.

Some areas of the trunk will show through the leaves and other areas will be covered by them. I go back and go over the areas I want to be darker.

To get my "smokey" effect in the mountains I used a stick of white oil pastel. All you need to do is skip a couple of on the mountains with the oil pastel and then take your fingers and blend it in. If you get too much white you can just use a white rubber eraser and remove some of it.

I have a couple of other pictures if you need to see them. I hope this helps. Can you share a photo of what you've done so far? I'd lke to see the placement of the mountains. Hugs...Danette
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Embers
Tue Jul 19 2011, 06:01PM
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Thanks Danette!
Here is the "rough" sketch of the tractor with the mountains at the level she is wanting. And also my second trial peice. I definitely like it a lot more than my first attempt (which I am not going to post...hehehe). I used my spoon shader and I tried both light and some darker. The trees are just in there for me to practice on them too. I took two different angles, I hate my flash!!
Any suggestions or tips would be wonderful.









thanks
Amber
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Danette
Wed Jul 20 2011, 09:20PM
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Hi Amber!

Thanks for sharing your photo...the mountains in the background at horizon level will not show any distinct trees as such.


I know you said you used your spoon shader on the trees...do you have a spear shader? When doing trees a spear shader I think is a better tip to use because it has a pointed tip to it.



What you did in the above picture to create a mountain filled with trees is just what you needed to do. It looks great. Do your mountains just like that. It shows the illusion of trees all over the mountain.

Your medium sized pine trees don't look natural only because you have the branches too close, you burned too dark and deep, and you did it in an upside down V shape.





Now the two larger trees on the side are beautiful!! You did a wonderful job on them. Very natural looking.




I hope this helps you. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask. Hugs...Danette
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Embers
Thu Jul 21 2011, 08:13AM
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Thanks Danette! She sent me a couple more photos she had... and I thnk I have a better idea of what she is wanting now. Thanks for all your comments and help! Will let you know how it comes out!


Amber
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Burnz4Fun
Thu Jul 21 2011, 09:36AM
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Embers, I hope you don't mind but I wanted to post a little thank you to Danette for posting this information along with these picture examples...
This is an incredible tutorial and I know I am personally finding it very useful as I usually shy away from doing trees as well.
Embers, your tractor sketch is excellent!

I really admire both of your works

Lisa
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Danette
Thu Jul 21 2011, 08:50PM
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You are most welcome Amber. Glad I could help. I'll be waiting to see how it comes out...don't forget if you have any questions along the way, I'm here for you.

Thanks Lisa for your kind words about my small tutorial. If you should ever need help just yell. Hugs, Danette
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